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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What great posts these all are..taz you started an interesting thread. Very Happy
Lally I believe you and I are on the same wave link where N/D are concerned...
LaLa what a great post and you can speak from experience what type of lifestyle the people from Nick's town live and the personalities they may have.
and jfan I think this from your post would make a great line to a love song...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and the personalities they may have.

"may" being the operative word. Pure speculation IMO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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LaLa_MN wrote:
Taz, your setting yourself up for another heartbreak. We all know a NICK, he is the guy that tries and tries and tries to get your attention. He is your boyfriends best friend who is so nice to you he steals you away and dumps you 2 weeks later. He is "that" guy.

As for Midwestern attitude, I feel I can talk with some authority on the subject. I live in Minnesota about 60 miles from where Nick is from. Nick comes from a "rebel" town area, close enough to the Big City yet still considered rural. He is a hell raiser, and thrives on it. A good night out ends with a car chase, police are involved or someone got in a fight.

Nick comes from a tight knit family, and thats where Nicks trust lies, in his family, not reality game people. Don't you find it odd that in order to buy into the Nick is a God theory, everyone else is lieing, but not Nick because hes in love?

Don't get your heartbroke, dig Nicks body, his smile, his game play, but keep him off the pedestal, you WILL get hurt.


I just don't see how you can say with such certainty what you are writing. Unless you know him personally, I don't think there is any way to know if he was a hell raiser or not. Obviously the school system he will be teaching at in Jan. thinks he is qualified enough to handle children and be a teacher.
I don't think Nick is a God, but he's not the devil either.
He's just a guy on a game show.


Nancy I disagree somewhat...Maybe she can't be for certain, but when you live in these small rural towns in any State you can pretty well know exactly what the young people are like. I grew up in one of those little town, less than 5000 population and the towns I live near now are about that size with Gainesville being the largest with 13,000..The schools are small and all the youngsters are about the same.. The smaller schools have a student count of 500/600 students from K to 12th. these kids usually start to school together in K and graduate from H/S together...There's not much moving around with these rural families.
The rural kids can be a little bit of hell raisers, especially the boys...there's not much else to do in these small communities...they're not bad kids...just kids trying to have fun with nothing. I know the personalities and ways of the young people in my area, so I would say that you can know to some certain degree about a person when you know the area well in which they have lived all their lives.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charlottesweb wrote:
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LaLa_MN wrote:
Taz, your setting yourself up for another heartbreak. We all know a NICK, he is the guy that tries and tries and tries to get your attention. He is your boyfriends best friend who is so nice to you he steals you away and dumps you 2 weeks later. He is "that" guy.

As for Midwestern attitude, I feel I can talk with some authority on the subject. I live in Minnesota about 60 miles from where Nick is from. Nick comes from a "rebel" town area, close enough to the Big City yet still considered rural. He is a hell raiser, and thrives on it. A good night out ends with a car chase, police are involved or someone got in a fight.

Nick comes from a tight knit family, and thats where Nicks trust lies, in his family, not reality game people. Don't you find it odd that in order to buy into the Nick is a God theory, everyone else is lieing, but not Nick because hes in love?

Don't get your heartbroke, dig Nicks body, his smile, his game play, but keep him off the pedestal, you WILL get hurt.


I just don't see how you can say with such certainty what you are writing. Unless you know him personally, I don't think there is any way to know if he was a hell raiser or not. Obviously the school system he will be teaching at in Jan. thinks he is qualified enough to handle children and be a teacher.
I don't think Nick is a God, but he's not the devil either.
He's just a guy on a game show.


Nancy I disagree somewhat...Maybe she can't be for certain, but when you live in these small rural towns in any State you can pretty well know exactly what the young people are like. I grew up in one of those little town, less than 5000 population and the towns I live near now are about that size with Gainesville being the largest with 13,000..The schools are small and all the youngsters are about the same.. The smaller schools have a student count of 500/600 students from K to 12th. these kids usually start to school together in K and graduate from H/S together...There's not much moving around with these rural families.
The rural kids can be a little bit of hell raisers, especially the boys...there's not much else to do in these small communities...they're not bad kids...just kids trying to have fun with nothing. I know the personalities and ways of the young people in my area, so I would say that you can know to some certain degree about a person when you know the area well in which they have lived all their lives.


LOL - well I'm from Oklahoma and I even taught High School history in one of those rural towns. In my school there were all types of kids though. The farmers, the studious, the band people, the cheerleaders.

Oh well... I hate stereotyping of any kind and perhaps that is why this bothers me so much. Anyway, Nick went to college, graduated and lived the last year in Australia teaching, so "how ya' gonna' keep 'um down on the farm, after they've seen Par-ee"
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See the thing about Nick's game play is that He's bad at it, cause he's playing with emotions which makes me trust in his feelings for dani even more. no one "in it to win it" would play this badly. But he's just like "fuck it" I want to be with dani, I'm tired of lying and BS and pretending to like these other people, I'm out" Is it a good move on his part, no, is it enduring, yes.

As for him fucking over the MRA, I think he explained it very well, He was approached early on by the people in power and asked to join, had he said no, he would have been a target, so he said yes out of having no other choices and began to assess everyone else in the house to see who he clicked with for real. It wasn't till he heard Kail was questioning him, did Nick flip out on them. But he never trusted them and was quick to tell the people he did trust about the MRA.

About his "I don't want the money" I'm sure part of it is bs and he came in wanting to play but i think things changed, If you listen to his stories about his life, he's kinda of privileged kid, his parents pay for all his shit and he just floats around (free spirit) to whatever interests him, it's not about money cause he already feels monetary security through his parents. He even told a "sponsah" like story about how this guy he stayed with in Australia wanted to send him on vacation to Hawaii and set him up with a chooshy job, but he declined. I really feel Nick is not all about the money, if anything he's in it for the fame and/or experience of being on tv. He also seems to live modestly and just stays with friends where ever he ends up.

One more point to make about his character:
When Joe was leaving he gave Nick his green hat cause he knew Nick loved it, Nick knowing he was voting Joe out told Dani he did not want to keep the hat and they had to sneak it back in Joe's bag, cause he would feel like shit keeping the hat after voting Joe out.

I guess what I'm getting at with all the points is what kind of a man Nick is, what is in his character, and I believe he has a good heart and has never thought once of screwing dani over (screwing her yes, not not over...unless it was over a table....sorry...getting porno now...lol).

Nick genuinely gets hurt when Dani questions him and he said last night that handshakes don't mean shit, but he would never swear on his life or his family to something that he didn't mean, And today in the SR he swore on his life that Dani could trust him. So If many believe that Nick is a sincere guy about most of this, i can't see why many would think all of his intentions weren't honorable (except again for his sexual intentions towards Dani, but hey he's a guy what can you do)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaLa_MN wrote:
I don't really question Nick's feelings for Dani. I do question that because Nick likes a girl that makes him trustworthy.


It's not just about him liking her, it's about his actions and how that translates to his character, and if he has an honest decent character (like i believe he does) then i don't see him being the "playa" of the house.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaLa_MN wrote:
Taz, your setting yourself up for another heartbreak. We all know a NICK, he is the guy that tries and tries and tries to get your attention. He is your boyfriends best friend who is so nice to you he steals you away and dumps you 2 weeks later. He is "that" guy.

As for Midwestern attitude, I feel I can talk with some authority on the subject. I live in Minnesota about 60 miles from where Nick is from. Nick comes from a "rebel" town area, close enough to the Big City yet still considered rural. He is a hell raiser, and thrives on it. A good night out ends with a car chase, police are involved or someone got in a fight.

Nick comes from a tight knit family, and thats where Nicks trust lies, in his family, not reality game people. Don't you find it odd that in order to buy into the Nick is a God theory, everyone else is lieing, but not Nick because hes in love?

Don't get your heartbroke, dig Nicks body, his smile, his game play, but keep him off the pedestal, you WILL get hurt.


I didn't realize that you knew Nick personally. Glad you are able to give us the inside scoop. Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right, Nick is a super guy Smile I hope to get to know him better in the BB house. I just know he will grow on me Smile I sure hope it all works out for him and Daniele, wonder if she would like it here in Minnesota? Janie does, and we get a bad rap here with the harsh winter, but overall its such an awesome place. Nick lives very near my Grandparents cabin on Lake Frances in Minnesota. It is a rural area, yet not more than an hours drive to Mall of America and the International airport.

Nick is probably the best go to guy in the game. He did play safety in collge and we all know thats a really intense position. He is so big, and usually safetys are more svelte, so he must be really fast for a guy his size.

His wanting to be a teacher and have a family is so refreshing from the usual hollywood types we have had on BB. Awesome casting! About time they got some real wholesome characters root for on this show, people who want to help others, and are not about the money and street credit.

The way he talks about his family is really encouraging. He is obviously a family guy, with good values and his devotion to Daniele is really admirable. He stated it over and over again, and has not waivered once in his admission of being smitten by her. But then again, who isn't smitten by Daniele, she is really pretty and sweet. Rumor has it that even drky Eric is smitten by Daniele Smile Hard to beleive Dick and her have the same gene pool LOL

Call me old fashioned, but he is probably one of the nicest, most trustworthy guys on this cast, if not BB history.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, all this debate about Nick's character is interesting though I think it is mostly speculation on all sides.

I have no big problem with Nick - he seems like a nice enough kid. But that's really my problem, I can't get into the romance because I feel like I am watching two kids,. And my reaction is the same as my reaction to my neices' teenage romances - sweet but meant to be just another experience along the road of life.

I agree with Moody that I don't get the extremism on either side. Nick is a good kid but he is not without his share of faults and negative qualities. Personally, I just wish he would stop pushing Dani on making the relationship more physical than she is comfortable with.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ummmmm....color me confused.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Lala alot, and I also agree with Hellataz alot about Nick...I pretty much share alot of jfan's opinion of N/D as well...this is my take (for what it's worth!??? LMAO!) Rolling Eyes

I think Nick came into the house BELIEVEING that he would "play" all of the women in one way or another....he obviously first "tried his game" out on Jen....then he quickly disliked her and thought he would not be able to trust Jen....so he moved on the next best-looking girl (in his opinion) and that was Danielle. He started out thinking he would "play" Danielle, and that is what he told the MRA...and I think Nick genuinely BELIEVED he would be their "mole" against the ED/Dani alliance. THEN....Nick has genuinely fallen in "puppy love" or maybe even "love" with Danielle....I trust everything you say about the situation with Nick's feeling Hellataz....I agree with you on the fact that I DO NOT FEEL LIKE NICK IS PLAYING DANIELLE.....but......

I truly feel that BECAUSE Nick is playing with a lot of emotion, that Nick has made TOO MANY MISTAKES TOO EARLY by playing too hard, too early (ala Kail) Now, whether it is true or not...Nick has done too many things that have been "outed" in the house that APPEAR to be untrustworthy.....and remember what the HG's say...."Perception....is everything"....so none of the HG are going to allow themselves the luxury of believing that NICK will be ultimately true to THEM (because of how well he fooled Kail, Mike, etc)

So, even though I THINK Nick is being "upfront and truly honest" right now with ED and Danielle...I think it is too late for him...he TRIED too hard to be TOO SLICK...just MHO! Twisted Evil

(And he is still a HUNK!!! LMAO!!!) (Amber says he is a weasel???!! And Danielle LAUGHED????!!) What's up with that?!?!?! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ITA CAY,

It's heartbreaking what is going on right now, Nick being so open and trusting and Dani being so guarded and paranoid and allowing people like Kail and Jen to get into their hards, I hate that.

But Nick's game play is for shit, which is sadder for me, because the reason is Dani, he doesn't care about the game he cares about her and I truly believe that if he heard everything Dani just said, he would get really emotional and then walk straight to the DR and ask to leave.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hellataz wrote:
But Nick's game play is for shit, which is sadder for me, because the reason is Dani, he doesn't care about the game he cares about her and I truly believe that if he heard everything Dani just said, he would get really emotional and then walk straight to the DR and ask to leave.


Nick's game play was shit before he fell for Dani. Making plans with Jen before he knew her and knew he didn't like her was a bad move and that pre-dated his getting to know Dani.

I don't believe that Nick would leave if he knew what Dani was saying, rather I think he would want to stay and prove himself to her. And I think there is one way he can prove himself to her at this point - win HoH and put up people on the other side (he threw it yesterday .. and she is figuring that out). His decision to throw HoH suggests that he wasn't doing everything he could to keep Dani safe. After all, if Mike had won Nick would be safe and Dani and Dick would be going on the block again. Floaters are nearly impossible to trust and Nick needs to stop trying to play as a floater letting other people do the dirty work and become the targets.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think Nick threw the HOH, he was there close to the end and just missed a question, shitty luck, nothing more.

Dani is reading WAY too much into everything she sees now and her and Amber are saying Nick is a weasel. They are too willing to see things negatively towards Nick right now. It's really sad and now makes it hard to watch them together thinking that Dani is just doubting him the entire time they are talking/flirting/hanging out. And he's just being his same old goofy self. I feel so bad for him.
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