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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Why I think Nick is Trustworthy Reply with quote

First and foremost, Nick is a free spirit with mid western values, he seems just by appearance sake very genuine and sincere.

In Terms of him "playing" Dani, I don't buy it.

1) He straight off Told Dani about his role in the MRA Early On.

2) He's told National TV Via the DR that He had feelings for Dani.

3) He has never waivered with who he has intended to vote for and who he wanted out.

4) He's told Dani all about his conversations with Jen, Kail, Mike and Zach, in fact Nick tells her about most of his convo with everyone. He's very open with her.

5) He's said numerous times that he's only here to play for fun, not for the money but for the experience (Which i believe hearing all about his life adventures, this is just another one). He's said he wants to leave before Amber,, Jameka and Dani.

6) When Dani doubted him, he was upset and he told her to prove he was only interested in her and not the game, he said he would take his voluntary exist.

7) If you watch Nick and have a good grasp on body language and facial expressions, you can tell who Nick is really into. When Jen comes around shaking her boobs and ass in his face he can't even look at her, he rolls his eyes and is really short with her, and never carries on a convo with substance with her. Quite often when she shows up he leaves soon after. The same way he acts around Kail and Zach.

When he's with Dani he has a perma-smile plastered on, he can't help but call her beautiful and sexy and talk about their future. He is always trying to touch her, innocent or not. and he's very protective of her and is always keeping her in the loop about everything. Their convos are about real things, as real as they can get on camera.

Cool He's trying to be respectful to her and her BF situation, granted he could be more so and just restrain, but he's really into her and feels he has a shot and is going to continue to keep it in her head that he's interested and will be there for her. But most recently he showed her respect by toning down the flirting and on air comments about their relationship. Ex. He changed his speech to Julie chen about him and Dani from the "bees knees comment, to a more "it's none of your business" comment. Even Dani wondered why he didn't say that comment on air, and he explained to her that it was for her sake.

He's made a few attempt to talk with her, but restrains and says he wishes he could talk but doesn't want to put her in an uncomfortable situation.

9) Amber tells him that he's totally in love with Dani, He answers back that love is too strong a word to use, that he really relly likes her, but their not at the point yet. If it was all game, he would have just agreed to "being in love with dani" for appearances.

10) He's made a few attempts at helping Dani and her Father repair their relationship, with no game play involved, strictly about trying to help Dani get to a better place with her father.

11) After Dick told Nick about Dani crying about her BF, Nick made an effort to give Dani space, it was Dani who sought Nick out and initiated the playful flirting.

12) After finding out that Jen was telling people that they kissed, Nick got so pissed, he called her out in front of everyone.

13) He nearly cried when revealing his feeling as for Dani.

So reading all this, taking in account how much emotions He's shown, How much he's stuck to his word with Dani and seeing his game play both on the feeds and off, willing to lose his strategic place in the game to "go balls out" and take down his 1st alliance so early in the game. Seeing how he interacts with everyone in the house and seeing the type of person he seems to be in real life based on his stories about his life.

Does this seem like a manipulating malicious player that's down for crushing this young girl and her future with her BF for game purposes? I don't think so. If he is, not only does he deserve the money but also an Oscar.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taz - I DO think Nick likes Dani. And I do think he is a good guy. That's not where the problem is.

He straight up outted his alliance to everyone in the house. Even Dani was pissed that he told Amber. He has lied to JEN! & the MRA specificly. Now don't misunderstand, lying and backstabbing alliances etc is all fair in BB. I don't fault him for it. But he was playing all sides and is going to get caught. So even people who trusted him will know now that he has lied. So it doesn't matter if he is really loyal to Dani or not. And no I don't find him respectful at all to Dani's BF situation, quite the opposite actually. Not to mentoned being superglued to Dani outs them as a strong pair and Dick as a third. That equals HUGE BULLSEYE on all of their backs.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taz - I DO think Nick likes Dani. And I do think he is a good guy. That's not where the problem is.

He straight up outted his alliance to everyone in the house. Even Dani was pissed that he told Amber. He has lied to JEN! & the MRA specificly. Now don't misunderstand, lying and backstabbing alliances etc is all fair in BB. I don't fault him for it. But he was playing all sides and is going to get caught. So even people who trusted him will know now that he has lied. So it doesn't matter if he is really loyal to Dani or not. And no I don't find him respectful at all to Dani's BF situation, quite the opposite actually. Not to mentoned being superglued to Dani outs them as a strong pair and Dick as a third. That equals HUGE BULLSEYE on all of their backs.

Playing all sides and not getting caught = Good BB
Playing all sides and letting everyone know your game and getting caught at it = Bad BB


Well said, lallybelle. I completely agree with a couple of things you said.

1) Nick is sincere in his feelings toward Daniele.

2) He has fucked up his game by trying to playing all sides without being discrete about it. He has handed his enemies ALOT of ammunition.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5) He's said numerous times that he's only here to play for fun, not for the money but for the experience (Which i believe hearing all about his life adventures, this is just another one). He's said he wants to leave before Amber,, Jameka and Dani.

And I've got a flying Donkey i wanta sell you.....How many times have we heard the "I don't need the money, I'm playing for you statement"..First time I heard it was from Hardy of BB2 when he and Nicole were playing for Krista and I've heard it in every BB since then.
I will never, ever again believe there is anything to a Reality Show Romance. Rolling Eyes Proven failed BB showmance cases are:

BB1..Will/Shannon, I guess that was a semi-romance as it lasted maybe a year, but Will told Janelle that he never loved Shannon.
BB3: Roddy/Chiara..Kaput before she left the house. Eric/Lisa: over the first week after their finale.
BB4: A slutty house all together with the Dave/Amanda thing and all of Allison's actions. No real romance there.
BB5: Drew/Diane: Over before it began.
BB6: Janelle/Michael: Lasted 2 weeks after the show ended.
BB7: Ericka/Boogie: Gag me with a fork. Shocked
BB7:Janelle/Will: A mystery to end all mysteries, non the less the report from both parties is that there was never a romance. Will calls it a nomance. IMO it was a disturbing, hurtful mess to both of them.
BB8: Nick/Dani: Fool me once or maybe I should say 7 times, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me...Not gonna fool me this time with this high/school necking. I don't care how many tributes are made for them, I'm not gonna buy it, not this time around Laughing
Althought I will say Taz, that you do have a lovely talent for these tributes, and you always do such a good job.. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the wait and see category.
I think so far I'm thinking Nick is a good person, bad game player...but who knows with BB.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, Nick is a good person, bad game player. So much into Dani he can't play the game very well. He Mrs. R alliance brought him in, what was he supposed to say "No thanks, I don't want to be in your alliance". You could see his heart wasn't there from the get go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CW, interesting post.

Totally agree with your take on the line "I don't need the money..." That is a strategy, a way getting others to consider you less of a threat ("you don't need to take me out early because I will give it to you later"). So far we have heard both Nick and Jen say that. I would say that the person I believe didn't really need the money was Boogie but he still wanted to win - for the "street cred." As far as Nick goes, big red flags starting waving for me that this was a bogus line during his hammock date with Dani the night before last. The others were talking about how much money it would take for them to leave and they were saying $25K was not enough. Nick said $25 K is alot of money and that they must not be teachers. It sure sounded like money was a factor for Nick then.

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I will never, ever again believe there is anything to a Reality Show Romance.


I won't go that far because there have been successful Reality Show romances - most notably Rob and Amber (Survivor), Trista and Ryan (The Bachelorette), Matt and Suzy (The Biggest Loser). But I agree that BB showmances don't have a good track record thus far.

Even so, just because the feelings are often not sustained when people get out of the House, that doesn't mean the feelings aren't real in the House. And that is kind of where I stand with Nick. I do believe his feelings for Dani right now, in the House, are real. But that doesn't mean those feelings are sustainable outside the House when Nick and Dani go back to their real lives. Maybe some loves are only meant to last for a moment and not a life time.

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BB8: Nick/Dani: Fool me once or maybe I should say 7 times, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me...Not gonna fool me this time with this high/school necking. I don't care how many tributes are made for them, I'm not gonna buy it, not this time around


I am not getting very invested in it either. Not because I don't think Nick is sincere in the here and now but because I am skeptical that we are seeing anything that will be more than a temporary love. I am not even sure it woud be good for Dani if it was more than that -- she is such a young girl with very little experience (one guy since high school).

My biggest hope for Nick and Dani is that they can treat each with respect after the show and remain friends.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I'm not willing to care one way or another on this one.
After last summers fairy tale turned fiasco and the bizarre mystery trip that WK had the fans on about his relationship with Janelle I'm burned out on showmances. I'm always a sucker for a great love story but will try to stick to the ones on produced fictional tv shows and books for now.

It would be nice if two very single people could hook up on BB. Can't even imagine how the SO would feel watching the relationship evolve on live feeds. The fact that someone is potentially cheating makes it much less appealling for me.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I do hope Nick is trustworthy and genuine; however, I'm not buying it...yet. Too many "lines" are coming out of his mouth. I do not care for the fact he blabbed to Danielle everything about his other alliance. He could have kept that to himself without endangering his relationship with Danielle. Plus I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding his pursuit of Danielle. She has a live in boyfriend, not a casual dating relationship.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Why I think Nick is Trustworthy Reply with quote

Hellataz wrote:
First and foremost, Nick is a free spirit with mid western values, he seems just by appearance sake very genuine and sincere.

In Terms of him "playing" Dani, I don't buy it.

1) He straight off Told Dani about his role in the MRA Early On.

2) He's told National TV Via the DR that He had feelings for Dani.

3) He has never waivered with who he has intended to vote for and who he wanted out.

4) He's told Dani all about his conversations with Jen, Kail, Mike and Zach, in fact Nick tells her about most of his convo with everyone. He's very open with her.

5) He's said numerous times that he's only here to play for fun, not for the money but for the experience (Which i believe hearing all about his life adventures, this is just another one). He's said he wants to leave before Amber,, Jameka and Dani.

6) When Dani doubted him, he was upset and he told her to prove he was only interested in her and not the game, he said he would take his voluntary exist.

7) If you watch Nick and have a good grasp on body language and facial expressions, you can tell who Nick is really into. When Jen comes around shaking her boobs and ass in his face he can't even look at her, he rolls his eyes and is really short with her, and never carries on a convo with substance with her. Quite often when she shows up he leaves soon after. The same way he acts around Kail and Zach.

When he's with Dani he has a perma-smile plastered on, he can't help but call her beautiful and sexy and talk about their future. He is always trying to touch her, innocent or not. and he's very protective of her and is always keeping her in the loop about everything. Their convos are about real things, as real as they can get on camera.

Cool He's trying to be respectful to her and her BF situation, granted he could be more so and just restrain, but he's really into her and feels he has a shot and is going to continue to keep it in her head that he's interested and will be there for her. But most recently he showed her respect by toning down the flirting and on air comments about their relationship. Ex. He changed his speech to Julie chen about him and Dani from the "bees knees comment, to a more "it's none of your business" comment. Even Dani wondered why he didn't say that comment on air, and he explained to her that it was for her sake.

He's made a few attempt to talk with her, but restrains and says he wishes he could talk but doesn't want to put her in an uncomfortable situation.

9) Amber tells him that he's totally in love with Dani, He answers back that love is too strong a word to use, that he really relly likes her, but their not at the point yet. If it was all game, he would have just agreed to "being in love with dani" for appearances.

10) He's made a few attempts at helping Dani and her Father repair their relationship, with no game play involved, strictly about trying to help Dani get to a better place with her father.

11) After Dick told Nick about Dani crying about her BF, Nick made an effort to give Dani space, it was Dani who sought Nick out and initiated the playful flirting.

12) After finding out that Jen was telling people that they kissed, Nick got so pissed, he called her out in front of everyone.

13) He nearly cried when revealing his feeling as for Dani.

So reading all this, taking in account how much emotions He's shown, How much he's stuck to his word with Dani and seeing his game play both on the feeds and off, willing to lose his strategic place in the game to "go balls out" and take down his 1st alliance so early in the game. Seeing how he interacts with everyone in the house and seeing the type of person he seems to be in real life based on his stories about his life.

Does this seem like a manipulating malicious player that's down for crushing this young girl and her future with her BF for game purposes? I don't think so. If he is, not only does he deserve the money but also an Oscar.


I totally agree with you Hellataz. I've spent a lot of time watching Nick on the live feeds (not a hard thing to do Very Happy )...I've listened to the conversations and watched the body language. There is no way that he is a manipulating malicious player. As for the money, he said he wants to teach because he wants to help young people....there are many other professions he could go into if he was concerned about making money.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lori wrote:
Personally I do hope Nick is trustworthy and genuine; however, I'm not buying it...yet. Too many "lines" are coming out of his mouth. I do not care for the fact he blabbed to Danielle everything about his other alliance. He could have kept that to himself without endangering his relationship with Danielle. Plus I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding his pursuit of Danielle. She has a live in boyfriend, not a casual dating relationship.


He has told Dani many times that he respects the fact that she has a boyfriend and to tell him if he's going over the line. When ED told Nick that Dani had been crying about situation with Nick and boyfriend, he stayed away from her. She kept going to him and couldn't understand why he was avoiding her. He told her he didn't want to cause her any problems outside the house and she told him it was okay.
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I pretty much agree with all of you - how's that for a wishy washy answer? I like Nick, but I'm not buying his "I'm not in it for the money" line. I'm not sure if he is playing Dani or not....he seems sincere....but I do wonder if he was going into the house with the intention of getting into a showmance for strategy reasons, or because he knows he'll get more camera time. I don't know. I'm just going to keep an open mind, and see how the thing plays out.
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ninja wrote:
Lori wrote:
Personally I do hope Nick is trustworthy and genuine; however, I'm not buying it...yet. Too many "lines" are coming out of his mouth. I do not care for the fact he blabbed to Danielle everything about his other alliance. He could have kept that to himself without endangering his relationship with Danielle. Plus I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding his pursuit of Danielle. She has a live in boyfriend, not a casual dating relationship.


He has told Dani many times that he respects the fact that she has a boyfriend and to tell him if he's going over the line. When ED told Nick that Dani had been crying about situation with Nick and boyfriend, he stayed away from her. She kept going to him and couldn't understand why he was avoiding her. He told her he didn't want to cause her any problems outside the house and she told him it was okay.


Well I do agree that Nick says and does all the right things. My only problem is that I am not sure he is sincere. IMHO if he is on the up and up, I find him to be soooooooo very needy. Guess I am just not feeling the Dani/Nick showmance.
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BB7:Janelle/Will: A mystery to end all mysteries, non the less the report from both parties is that there was never a romance. Will calls it a nomance. IMO it was a disturbing, hurtful mess to both of them.


And what a gigantic clusterfuck that turned into Huh?


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BB8: Nick/Dani: Fool me once or maybe I should say 7 times, shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me...Not gonna fool me this time with this high/school necking. I don't care how many tributes are made for them, I'm not gonna buy it, not this time around


It not a matter of buying it to me. I just don't care. They act like they are in Junior High or something, YUK. Not to mention they are B-O-R-I-N-G together. No spark, no chemisrty. it's like watching paint dry.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Taz, your setting yourself up for another heartbreak. We all know a NICK, he is the guy that tries and tries and tries to get your attention. He is your boyfriends best friend who is so nice to you he steals you away and dumps you 2 weeks later. He is "that" guy.

As for Midwestern attitude, I feel I can talk with some authority on the subject. I live in Minnesota about 60 miles from where Nick is from. Nick comes from a "rebel" town area, close enough to the Big City yet still considered rural. He is a hell raiser, and thrives on it. A good night out ends with a car chase, police are involved or someone got in a fight.

Nick comes from a tight knit family, and thats where Nicks trust lies, in his family, not reality game people. Don't you find it odd that in order to buy into the Nick is a God theory, everyone else is lieing, but not Nick because hes in love?

Don't get your heartbroke, dig Nicks body, his smile, his game play, but keep him off the pedestal, you WILL get hurt.


I just don't see how you can say with such certainty what you are writing. Unless you know him personally, I don't think there is any way to know if he was a hell raiser or not. Obviously the school system he will be teaching at in Jan. thinks he is qualified enough to handle children and be a teacher.
I don't think Nick is a God, but he's not the devil either.
He's just a guy on a game show.
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